Curse

Pick Me · May 07, 2007, 07:17 PM // 19:17

Moriz,

Your general guide seems very nice.

I will agree with items: #2 & 4.

#1 - don't degrade Mesmers.

#3 - Siphon Speed, Impale, Expose Defenses, or Shadowy Burden + Black Lotus Strike = off-hand + energy regain.

I like Recal over AoD, only because it is a non-elite (teleport out over teleport in).

tortugan · May 07, 2007, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Pick Me

Moriz,

Your general guide seems very nice.
#3 - Siphon Speed, Impale, Expose Defenses, or Shadowy Burden + Black Lotus Strike = off-hand + energy regain.

Impale isn't a hex anymore.

Samurai-JM · May 07, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

I wish impale was still a hex... but then it would be way too overused O_O A 5e hex that does 100+ dmg and deep wound when using a dual attack? Overkill. It's balanced where it is now.

Healers Wisper · May 07, 2007, 09:29 PM // 21:29

thanks for the guide. It has helped me alot. I am also sorry for being one of those noob sins that cause the bad reputation. I found myself dead in the middle of mobs alot before trying to implement tips from this guide. I am able to keep on my feet alot better now. Thanx

Glider of chaos · May 07, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Guide is really nice, as some of above poster I can't say I totally agree with everything. Like "dump lead attack" claim for example. And assassin puller is not that great as well. Main tank should be the puller IMO so there will be far less aggro management problems. But the guide is just great for the newcomers

P.S. Looking forward for your intermediate guide =)

P.P.S. How about a stickie for this one? =)

Samurai-JM · May 08, 2007, 12:31 AM // 00:31

The original post was nearly a year ago, don't count on it

I might plan to make a more advanced one eventually though.

moriz · May 08, 2007, 01:06 AM // 01:06

holy thread resurrection batman!

anyways, even though the guide is 1 year out of date, it's still pretty good generally.

as for the pulling and "dump lead attacks" part....

the pulling comment is really more as a way to increase your individual playing skills. in the process of learning how to pull, you learn good positioning and battlefield awareness, which are vital to any assassin players in pve.

the "dump lead attacks" comment is widely supported. the whole lead->offhand->dual combo system is poorly conceived and implemented, and most lead attacks are simply not worth their skill slot and energy cost.

Glider of chaos · May 08, 2007, 05:03 AM // 05:03

oh... lol. ^^
I guess I shouldn't post comment in "falling asleep" state after all XD

"dump lead attack" part:
The thing is that those lead-ignoring attacks usually have significant recharge times. It's basically fast recharge+moderate damage vs long recharge+spike damage. Considering various circumstances like heroway, PuGs and team builds it's not all that simple as just "lead sucks!" statement.

"pulling" part:
Well, pulling really teaches great deal of stuff but it in end-game areas non-tank puller really can mess the things up. On the other hand considering that guide was aimed at newcomers you're basically right

Laenavesse · May 08, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

@ Gilder:

wait, did you said pulling at end-game areas is BAD?! o_O I'm not sure what you mean by that as there are more mobs there than anywhere else o_o

and on the lead attacks statement:

in pve, going straight to the offhand-->dual combos is not as wise, mainly because more often than not, you'll only get the offhand (offhand and one dual if you're lucky) and then you'll have to wait for your offhand to recharge, unless you got two. A lot of the lead attacks now have been buffed to have reasonable cost AND recharge times.

Glider of chaos · May 08, 2007, 08:57 AM // 08:57

Oh, i meant non-tank pulling only, sorry %)

XvArchonvX · May 08, 2007, 01:39 PM // 13:39

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Originally Posted by Laenavesse

A lot of the lead attacks now have been buffed to have reasonable cost AND recharge times.

Qft, leads are a much more reasonable choice than before. If you are having trouble getting your attack chain off, then you either need an IAS or to target different enemies that your group isn't pummeling. Assassins are really a class meant to go off target anyways. Relying on Golden Phoenix alone makes you very enchant reliant, which is a very bad idea in many places.

Sir Pandra Pierva · May 09, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45

Agreed also I would say an a/mo using [skill]Healing Hands[/skill] can tank pretty well when in the back. They can stay in there much longer than any normal sin build.

Kiba of hidden leaf · May 10, 2007, 12:03 AM // 00:03

An assassin with an offensive elite would do more damage, killing the target faster, giving you less time on the frontline. Eliminating the need to tank.

dicecube · May 10, 2007, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

Agreed also I would say an a/mo using [skill]Healing Hands[/skill] can tank pretty well when in the back. They can stay in there much longer than any normal sin build.

easy there invincible sin..why not just reroll as a warrior? or better yet, death's retreat out of harms way.

XvArchonvX · May 10, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva

Agreed also I would say an a/mo using [skill]Healing Hands[/skill] can tank pretty well when in the back. They can stay in there much longer than any normal sin build.

Assassins really shouldn't tank except for extremely rare instances and even then, HH probably isn't the way to go.